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Superuniverse Speculations on the Scale of Orvonton - A Credible Case for the Milky Way and the Local Group


I have come to a relative end of my semi exhaustive study of the scale of Orvonton.  Check it out if you are curious. Hopefully the full version is attached. I will copy each section in text here in the next several days until all 16 chapters are published.




El subio mucha consigo, el necio no.

(The wise alter their counsel, the foolish do not)

-A Spanish proverb quoted by

Thomas Wright, British astronomer (1711-1786)


The greatest obstacle to discovering the shape of the earth, the continents,

and the oceans was not ignorance but the illusion of knowledge.

-Daniel J. Boorstin, (1914-2004)


Convictions are more dangerous enemies of truth than lies.

--Friedrich Wilhelm Nietzsche, (1844-1900)


The recognition that no knowledge can be complete, no metaphor entire,

is itself humanizing. It counteracts fanaticism. It grants even to adversaries

the possibility of partial truth, and to oneself the possibility of error.

  --Alvin Toffler (b. 1928)


"All finite knowledge and creature understanding are relative. Information and intelligence, gleaned from even high sources, is only relatively complete, locally accurate, and personally true." (2:7.1) 

"If mind cannot fathom conclusions, if it cannot penetrate to true origins, then will such mind unfailingly postulate conclusions and invent origins that it may have a means of logical thought within the frame of these mind-created postulates. And while such universe frames for creature thought are indispensable to rational intellectual operations, they are, without exception, erroneous to a greater or lesser degree." (115:1.1)


Compare these quotes and you will discern the truth that dogma or certainty is dangerous in either philosophical or scientific realms.  Yet, we persist and crave credence in our conclusions in our quest to find intellectual comfort.  Because I too need such a “universe frame” in spite of my inevitable errors, I will persevere in my efforts to reconcile the limitations of epochal revelation with current but inexact conclusions of modern astronomy.  The Urantia Papers arrived at a time of faintly understood astronomy.  The papers present a most astounding and beautiful description of the universe of universes.  Epochal revelation has generously opened the doorway into a broader understanding of cosmology.  But we must work with a deficiency of revelatory information, scientific data and terminology to determine relatively accurate meanings from the revelation and current astronomy we are given.  Openness and healthy skepticism are essential when dealing with modern astronomy or cosmology in the Urantia Book.  Faith is the only arena for personal certainty, all else is estimation and erroneous to a greater or lesser degree. So wrote sociologist Robert King Merton, “Most institutions demand unqualified faith; but the institution of science makes skepticism a virtue.” Also as validated by a Melchizedek, “The more of science you know, the less sure you can be; the more of religion you have, the more certain you are.” (102:1.3) Never must we be satisfied with the tentative conclusions of science at any juncture of our evolution.

Many of the cosmological conclusions by Urantia Book astronomers are no longer completely acceptable to me, although I appreciate so much what they have done to lay the foundations of their work to this point.  I could never have come to the conclusions of my present study without their insightful thinking and shoulders to stand upon.

I am neither a scientist nor an astronomer.  I wanted to be an astronomer as a young lad and was very fascinated with my astronomy books and all the wonderful pictures of our solar system.  As I grew up, I got bogged down and disillusioned as the math and science became way too complex for my limited comprehension.  Instead I have grown up to be a philosopher which now puts me in a position to unify science and religion without having to be an expert in either realm. My fascination with cosmology has been the joy of my philosophy.  God’s tremendous gift to begin life and material expression at the lowest experiential level of existence in great mystery and contradistinction to his infinity of perfection, has aroused a huge curiosity in me as to how he has put this imperfect universe into the matrix of his existential-experiential totality.  What a beneficent and fortuitious experience for us in the late 20th century and beyond to have in our possession a revelation of epochal significance. This revelation has simplified, complicated and definitely expanded my capacity to comprehend our awesome God’s universe of universes.  As a result, I am now an adult with a revival of my same youthful fascination of astronomy coupled with epochal revelation without feeling the need to be a mathematical expert. I crave philosophically to understand what the Urantia papers say about the cosmology, cosmogony and cosmography of the universe, and how current astronomy validates or confuses revelatory articulation.

Even high beings are puzzled when contemplating the universe, as is illustrated by this quote by a Perfector of Wisdom:

"The immensity of the far-flung creation of the Universal Father is utterly beyond the grasp of finite imagination; the enormousness of the master universe staggers the concept of even my order of being. But the mortal mind can be taught much about the plan and arrangement of the universes; you can know something of their physical organization and marvelous administration; you may learn much about the various groups of intelligent beings who inhabit the seven superuniverses of time and the central universe of eternity." (12:0.1)

We are exponentially more “staggered” than is the Perfector of Wisdom, but are encouraged by how much we can know from the little we’ve been given by the Urantia papers. At least we can know “something” of the plan and arrangement of the universes.  Now we must also rely on the slow evolution of science further to fill in the gaps of our ignorance, coupled with a better discernment of what the Urantia papers are saying.  It is incumbent upon us to explore every possible logical conclusion from revelatory cosmology coupled with current and early 20th century astronomy. As it is in any evolutionary attempt to clarify reality, revelation is not forthcoming until all conceivable avenues of approach to the problem at hand are exhaustively researched. “Extending outward from Paradise, each new domain of realized and attained evolution constitutes a new and enlarged revelation of experiential Deity to the universe of universes.” (56:7.1) This challenge should spur all of us to maximize our endeavors to bring such progress into Supreme actuality.

There are a variety of theories among Urantia Book readers about the composition and cosmography of Orvonton.  Many astronomical models can be devised based upon language interpretation, current astronomy theories, intuition, analogy and paradigm extrapolations.  Here are some models put forth by several Urantia Book readers over the years:

  • The grand universe is made up of seven superclusters.
  • Orvonton is the Virgo supercluster.
  • Uversa is centered within the Virgo cluster.
  • The Milky Way is our minor sector Ensa
  • The Milky Way is our major sector Splandon.
  • The local group is our major sector Splandon.
  • The Milky Way alone is Orvonton.
  • The local group of galaxies is Orvonton with the Milky Way as the inhabited core.

Based on the astronomy descriptions in the Urantia papers with the most measured evidence of current astronomic thinking and language interpretation, I plausibly conclude that the Milky Way is the presently organized and partially inhabited core of the superuniverse of Orvonton. The raw material for the eventual completion of Orvonton involves ongoing star formation in diffuse nebulae in our local group culminating in the eventual amalgamation of these sixty plus gravitationally bound galaxies into the Milky Way over billions of years.

Because of the paucity of epochal revelatory information and evolutionary ignorance of the remarkable work constantly being performed by God the Sevenfold in conjunction with the sevenfold controllers of the grand universe, it is staggeringly difficult for us to project our understanding of how this universe is being brought together over time in concert with the unsearchable plans of the Architects of the Master Universe. We are dependent on revelation when our evolutionary efforts have been strained to the maximum. The Urantia papers have given us a huge epochal head start into solving many of these problems, but as with any revelation or insight, a multitude of new questions are raised exponentially. Perplexing paradoxes must be sorted out, Language must be properly interpreted and analyzed, and tentative assumptions must be made with a readiness to discard them when obviously no longer valid.  Thanks to Michael of Nebadon for allowing this wonderful epochal revelation!

The many varieties of cosmological theory related to the astronomy revelations of the Urantia papers lead to a plethora of heated discussions on several social media and internet locations. Such disagreement is healthy unless intolerance and tactlessness shows its ugly face. As Jesus remonstrated with the Apostle John, we are not to think alike, as comfortable as that seems, but we are to dwell in a mutuality of unity and inspired purpose to know God and do his will.  Differences then can be appreciated for the purpose of stimulating an array of alternative thinking and cosmic problem solving.  It is in this spirit of love for my colleagues of cosmology that I dwell in the abundance of brotherhood and the joyful repose of unity in spite of our occasional sharp disagreements.

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